I would love to make a really inappropriate remark about the length of one's URL...

Okay maybe I just did. I see all your points Hugh. But I don't know if I am saying no value judgments at all. Just that most things have value in relation to other things, not as isolated examples of fitness or lack of fit. I think most lists don't do a good job of displaying how the value of something has more to do with relationships and less to do with that thing or persons place in a hierarchy.

Actually the apples vs rocks relationship is an interesting point of comparison. In the book Stone Soup an impoverished town gets together and makes a yummy pot of soup by starting with one stone in a pot of boiling water and saying things like " Wow this stone would really taste a lot better if we added an apple. Does anyone have an apple they could give us?". Without the stone there would be no apple in the soup, so it doesn't really matter which one is better it matters how they are related to each other.

I could honestly conceive of the Montreal progressive community as a pot of boiling water filled with many ingredients. They combine to produce our current community. But the value of that community is definitely not comprehensible on the basis of individual merit.

And I do think you are spot on when you said the URL / NO URL delimiter is important. When I worked at Powercamp - no-one, but no-one, gave a flying fuck about the WWW. They wouldn't even read the emails I sent them about online funding applications. Which is an embarrassing truth about many feminist or progressive orgs and something that's been a problem for ages.

Two years ago Mike wanted to start doing Penguin Days here, and I think it's high time that happened.

Please don't think I hold you personally responsible for all lists or think your list making was an exercise in genitally inspired madness. It gave us something fun to debate and to gnaw over, and I was making my list all girls to show how divisive list-making can be, and to implicate myself and my gender as part of the problem as well.